We are staunch supporters of David Andrews, and for very good reasons.
David started his career with Oro Valley some 18 years ago as our Financial Director, and subsequently got promoted to Assistant Manager. With the full support of a previous Town Council, David took over the Town Manager's position upon the departure of Chuck Sweet in Sept 2006.
David is knowledgeable and intelligent. He has a BA degree majoring in accounting, as well as a Master of Public Administration from the U of A.
Knowledge & Intelligence are only two of David's positive attributes. As a manager, one main prerequisite is having those working for you, hopefully liking you, but more important, respecting you. David has earned the respect of those that he works with, because David shows the utmost respect to others, regardless of their position.
That is probably enough positives to want to retain David in our employee. But their is much more than that. David understands he works for the mayor and council, but more important, David is always cognizant of the fact he really works for the residents of Oro Valley.
As such, those of us that are fortunate enough to know David (I've been attending council meetings for 16 years) see that David is sincere, honest, compassionate and totally fair with everyone. (You might want to read Zev's astute comment on the prior post, as it concerns David.)
Why has David's renewal contract drawn so much attention? You can say what you will, but I will tell you the answer in four words: "Oro Valley Police Unions." David has received the wrath of these people because he had the audacity of following the Police Chief's recommendation to lessen the financial burden on the town and its citizens by including a couple cops in a cutback.
As we noted here on a previous posting, The Oro Valley Police Unions Believe They Run The Town.
We must retain David's services.Anyone on the council that believes otherwise does not deserve to continue in office. My opinion? Sure! But my opinion is shared by 1000's of like minded residents. Many have already sent us emails stating this fact.
Please join in with your opinions here.
Thanks.
Art
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Art, This issue is much deeper than the police unions.
The majority to blame is to be shared by Loomis, Kunisch, Carter and Abbott. Loomis organized this.
He is vendictive and manipulative.
Blame: 70% Loomis and friends, 30% Sharp & his union thugs.
Deacon--- Before I put the blame where I believe it belongs, and cause more potential animosity which may not be helpful, I think it would prudent to hold off until we know what is destined to be.
I just commented in response to your query about a potential recall on the prior post.
As I noted, I'm still hopeful sanity will prevail and we will have a positive outcome.
I hope it's more than "wishful thinking" on my part.
Art,
I agree with you, there is no reason to cause more animosity.
The group of 4 will create that by trashing the reputation of a dedicated employee of 18 years.
The 'other shoe to drop' posted by Boobiebaby some time ago is probably PL.
Wishful thinking is not all bad.
La de dah :)
Deacon--- To some extent, you & I are having a public dialog, but there's nothing wrong with that.
As for boobie-baby----I don't know what she/he knows, but I believe
"The other shoe" has more to do with really "dirty politics" instigated by those that "have an axe to grind."
I don't mean to be coy in a public forum, but what's going on behind the scenes may come out publicly in the near future.
I wish I could say more, but it's not for me to do so.
I agree with Deacon. Loomis is behind this, and Kunisch, Carter, and Abbott share the blame. They all need to go. The sooner, the better.
Loomis used the cops because he knew their tactics and knew that they would be useful to him.
Pure vindictiveness. Pure evil.
Deacon,
Mayor Loomis announced at a TOV meeting last spring when he and Chief Sharp returned from the Peace Officers graduation, that they had "bonded". Their nonverbal euphoria spoke volumes and was,perhaps, the beginning of their collusion.
Andrews worked with TOV for 18 years with top evaluations. One assumes Andrews' performance was rewarded with greater and greater promotions and salary increases.
Outside of Oro Valley politics, a stellar record of 18 years would not allow not renewing his contract. He's been a company man for far too long. Due process and "justifiable cause" would need to be documented. Aside from his recent entanglements, how many poor evaluations has he been given? If he was so awful, why was he promoted? Through how many councils did he continue to rise in the government? How long was his employment? What criminal act has he committed to not renew his contract? Was he given the supports and assistance he needed to correct these "supposed" errors?
Andrews' record is exemplary. He is suffering the whims of two disgruntled officials because he exercises his role independently. In short, they can't dictate to him. But there are NO valid reasons to deny renewing his contract.
Sounds like a great lawsuit...If his contract is not renewed and Mr. Andrews gets severance and files a lawsuit, how will that "save" Oro Valley money? It might give Loomis and Sharp what they want, but if the taxpayers end up footing the bill for a lawsuit from Andrews, you can be sure Loomis will be the first voted out of office and the Chief of Police will become an elected office.
Council and Chief, take great care not to place that kind of burden on the citizens. Your own careers will be at stake if you do.
If Andrews is preparing to be fired tonight, he should fire Kathy Cuvelier this afternoon. Now THERE'S some incompetence for you! It would be a great parting gesture and we would all have a silver lining to our dark cloud.
Arizona is an AT WILL state. Anyone can be fired without cause.
Art, OVM, NS and VC,
Many excellent points by everyone.
Enemies become allies when wrong doing is the prize. Gives them all place to hide.
I hope you are all wrong. I hope town government is banding together to issue a rebuke to the individuals who think that the police are exempt from the cost cutting which comes with an econmic downturn. I hope for a strong, unified town council standing firm against bullies, strong arm tactics and the forces of mismanagement
Nombe---- I too hope we're wrong, but I believe this vindictive behavior will require more than hope!
If it turns out that David loses his job by a 4-3 vote, I hope every citizen will understand how it happened. At the same time, I continue to hope it won't happen.
I am sorry, but as I understand eventhough AZ is an AT state, that only is for regular employees not ones under Contract.. Can someone clarify that for me
I used to work in the Town Manager's office and I know first hand what kind of person David Andrews is. He is as honest as they come. He truly cares for the residents and employees of OV. He is fair and compassionate...he is a great friend and boss. I can't believe that he is having to go through all of this. What a shame....if he is let go, they will never find anyone with his integrity.
Dancer, simply stated, contracts come up for renewal and, as such, a renewal can be denied.
Once again, Town has taken an issue and let special interests turn it into a hornets' nest.
There are going to be 4 open seats in the upcoming election; once again the Citizens will have an opportunity to nullify contentious governance; then, perhaps, sanity might come to prevail.
It is amazing to me that after all these years some of the Council members are trying to remove David Andrews, especially after he has accomplished what the Town Council asked of him, fiscal responsibility and Budget cuts. Especially Councilman Kunisch, who proclaims to be fiscally responsible. If he tries to remove David Andrews.l I can truly say he is all talk and no action. Hmmm, isn't he up for re-election?
Is it possible that someone on the Town Council has a "friend" that would like David Andrews job, so they are trying to find ways to replace him.
If this is the case, I would never have respect for an individual who acquired a job in such a manner. It is almost like (Popes in the 17th Century) nepotism. Hmmmm anyone know of a relative or friends of the Town Council that is trying to acquire David Andrew's job. Looks fishey to me.
If you're waiting for the other shoe to drop, it may look like a high heel.
After the meeting was adjourned ("shame, shame"), the microphones were still on. Did anyone hear the exchange between Mr. Carter and Mr. Andrews?
Mr. Andrews: You'd better stay off of my property.
Mr. Carter: I'll stay off of your damned property.
Anyone care to shed light on what that was about? Is KC Carter sleuthing around on his hands and knees at night?
Boobie Baby,
Yes, someone else also overheard that exchange...KC seemed very defensive...and now there are two witnesses to that exchange and a tape...What illegal, unauthorized activity was KC iniating without Andrews' consent? Sleuting around, middle of the night, watering cacti??? Sounds like quite a stretch, wouldn't you say?
Seems like KC should just kiss his political career good-by!
Native Spirit--
With all due respect to a duly elected official, "political career" and "KC Carter" probably do not belong in the same sentence.
They probably do not belong in the same zip code.
However, it is possible, I suppose, that Mr. Carter did hear the other high-heel shoe drop during his walkabouts.
I'll tell our readers what that was about. David & Carter (I won't refer to him by his nickname) had such a wonderful relationship until he Carter "throw David under the bus" when Loomis orchestrated the raiding of our contingency fund.
I will also tell our readers that just prior to that council meeting in May, Carter assured David he would support him. Carter lied. He joined Loomis, Kunisch & Abbott to completely turn against David.
David wouldn't say anything negative about Carter for two reasons. One, he worked for him (and the others on council) and secondly, David has too much class.
As for tonight's comment picked up on the open mic, Carter had David's house key and without David's knowledge Carter would let himself in for no apparent reason, other than perhaps "snooping around" without David's knowledge.
David subsequently changed his locks as he knew he could not trust Carter after that May vote.
Carter turned out to be a devious, vindictive old man that does not deserve to be trusted.
That's why David said what he said, and who can blame?
Boobie-baby - I also was 'privy' to the exchange between David Andrews and Carter. Mr. Andrews told Carter in no uncertain terms to stay off his property and emphasized this with a GOOD finger point. And yes, there has been some snooping around (see above).
I also got in a few 'licks' at Carter as he has proven himself to be a consummate hypocrite as well as a trash talking liar.
Loomis, Abbott, Kunisch, Carter - whew, what a group!
Art,
Do you know for a FACT that Carter had David's house key? Whatever would he have that for? If David did not give it to him, how was it obtained?
That's a pretty serious question. I hope that you have some factual information to back it up.
boobie-baby--- Don't worry about my facts. What the hell are your facts in the prior posting, where you are saying things about David that are innuendo, lies and just plain Bull Sh*t.
What the hell are your facts?
Strictly my opinion: I think Carter is a filthy minded evil old man who cannot keep his hands off women who don't want his slimy touch. He has been warned and this has been covered up in Town Hall. The detailed descriptions of his male parts to women is beyond disgusting. I know a women who he approached and the foul words he used. She is reliable and honest. Considering his character I would not be surprised if he is behind the anonymous letter.
Deacon---- Your opinion is "very interesting." Having said that, we hope someone goes for a "freedom of information" on Carter's personnel file.
That might allow people to determine "your opinion" may be only "the tip of the iceberg."
As for your 2nd point, I wish I could substantiate it, but not yet.
For our readers who are not privy to all the goings on, it's all to do with this and prior posts.
It has nothing whatsoever to do with job performance, character or anything.
For those that want innuendo, find out why Loomis takes so many trips to Phoenix AT THE EXPENSE OF THE TOWN TAXPAYERS.
Deacon,
You said, "Considering his character I would not be surprised if he is behind the anonymous letter."
What anonymous letter?
Thanks.
VC
Pastryk also mentioned it when she spoke to council last night.
It was cowardly by some sicko person making false accusations.
With what went on last night at the Council Meeting, I am sure that many citizens who have POWER(lots of contacts) will go to a great extent to see that those 4 do not get reelected to their seats. They are supposed to represent us, the citizens, not their huge egos, at the expense of an individual who has done a superb job for soooo many years.
From what many have said, Paula only appeared to be doing her job. She could care less about the citizens and that lame comment, "oh I took an oath when I became a council member" Well, I would say that was "lip service". She never or rarely answered her emails and phone. That is not what a servant of the people, does. And Al Kunisch, who professes to be fiscally responsible, you better believe, their are those who will be looking at his voting record. Fiscally responsible, BULL. I believe in the future they are going to be in for a big surprise.
Sicko letter?
So if you meet me
Have some courtesy
Have some sympathy and some taste
Use all your well earned politics
Or I'll lay your soul to waste
Mayor L, after M. Jagger.
Moving on,
To beat Loomis will be a difficult but doable task. In my opinion it takes council experience to be mayor.
The candidate I like to beat LooneyFox is eloquent, articulate, poised, intelligent and knows the ways of the LooneyFox. Has outsmarted the LooneyFox many times. Has served on Council in the past. I think she and Salette would work together and get the job done. Barry will speak positively of her. So will Dave Andrews and many staffers. Bill G. would welcome her guts. I count a majority of 4!
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