Along with the budget concerns, the control of the Oro Valley library, and other issues, we are now faced with the question of whether the town should take over the job of licensing the pets, and taking over animal control from Pima County.
Read the in depth story on this issue in the July 1 Explorer article here.
http://www.explorernews.com/articles/2009/07/01/news/doc4a4aa2f9db744311819879.txt
24 comments:
Once again our joke of a council moves to discuss and make decisions without all of the information. Huckelberry offered to have animal control staff attend town meetings to take part in their discussion but our council once again shows their arrogance and ignorance in not including them.
Kudos to Councilwoman Abbot for bringing up the fact that the police officers signed up to be police officers not animal control officers.
It is also clear that 100 percent of compliance will not happen when only 25% of our "afluent" society obeys the animal control laws.
This is a stupid idea, right up there with mandating solar ready fixtures on new construction.
Hopefully a message will be sent in 2010 to the council telling them that they need to stop clowning around with these idiotic ideas and figure out how to responsibly do their jobs.
Right on.
When we are in a serious budget crisis, we should look to take on more fiscal responsibility that will be under funded.
Latas wanted to be the 'economic development czar', now she wants to be the 'dog czar'.
How much more of this do we need to endure?????
Let me guess, neither of you have companion animals (or I guess you'd say "own a pet"). If you do, I'll bet you got it from a "breeder" because you obviously haven't been to PACC.
You two and Chuckleberry are two peas in a pod. No wonder you make such ASS-inine comments. Go drag your knuckles back to your cave.
LBC and Thinker,
"Transparency" please.
Are either of you hunters?
Do either of you have dogs or cats?
Which answer most closely matches your feelings about animals?
I love animals.
I like animals.
I don't like animals.
I can take them or leave them.
"Dogs have given us their absolute all. We are the center of their universe. We are the focus of their love and faith and trust. They serve us in return for scraps. It is without a doubt the best deal that man has ever made."
Roger Caras
endthehandouts...
What a typical response from someone with your capacity of understanding. You feel the need to insult rather than counter with something of substance.
In fact, out of the three dogs I own, one came from PACC, one from the humane society and one given to us by someone whose dog had an unexpected litter and they were going to have to drop them off at PACC if they could not find homes for them.
VC....you say:
"Are either of you hunters?"
What does this have to do with anything? Yes I have hunted in the past, but not dogs or cats. I also smoked a cigar once and listen to Rush. I must be evil to you.
Yes, I have three dogs and have had cats in the past, and I love animals. I completely agree with the quote you used by Roger Caras.
I bet it would make alot of people feel all warm and fuzzy inside having the town take over animal control and making a no kill policy, but my opinion still remains that this is an "ASS-inine" idea that will end up digging us deeper and deeper in a hole of never-ending debt. This shows the fiscal irresponsibilty of certain factions of our council.
But this is only one man's opinion.
Rational thoughts please.....
First, I am an animal lover. Have owned a blind dog I adopted from a shelter and also had adopted a dog that was so "bad" nobody wanted him (behavior problem)
I don't see the harm in discussing the idea of OV taking over the responsibility from the county.
If the town can take this function over without spending more money, then why not?If it is going to cost the town more money, then I doubt most would support the idea.
Think we all need more details which hopefully this study will provide.
Is this the time to spend money on a study/survey, hm,,, probably not in my opinion.
Ms. C.,
Normally, I would agree with you that surveys and studies are a waste of money. OV has spent about $50k to study EACH of its departments, and I don't know that they have come up with much in the way of savings.
But this is a little different, in that OV could stand to gain the license fees, plus not have to pay the county their bounty money every year. I heard that this year, OV is going to get a bill from the county for $50,000 over and above the license fees! So if they could do a $10k study that showed them how to save that money, it would be a very good thing in the long run.
Come to think of it, it would probably have been a very good thing to do a feasibility study before signing the contract for the library that has caused double taxation, before starting Coyote Run, before hiring the 13 new police officers that caused us to have a utility tax...we probably should have studied those things more up front.
VC....
I am a hunter and a fisherman. The animals I hunt are eaten by myself and/or friends. 95% of my fishing is catch and release. I do not own either a dog or a cat due to an allergy to animal dander. I had a cat for many years until we figured out why I had reoccuring respiratory issues. However in my garage is a bag of Ol Roy (purchased at Walmart... :-)!) dog treats which I give to the neighborhood dogs when I see them. I dog sit for my neighbor across the street.
I like animals.
Ms Coyote....The program cannot (simply because it will be run by the government) be cost neutral. It will cost us money.
And I totally agree with you that it can't hurt to talk about it, but it seems to me that we have far more important things to talk about at this time.
LBC,
In regards to hunting, you asked,
"What does this have to do with anything?" If you are a hunter you will not have as much empathy for animal suffering as someone who chooses NOT to hunt and if you do not have that empathy, of course you will only look at your bottom line which is $$$$$. That's why I asked and you confirmed my belief when you said that you have hunted and that your only concern is "fiscal responsibility."
You say that you love animals yet you deliberately did things to harm them or kill them. Sounds like the way OJ "loved" Nicole.
If you agree with the quote by Roger Caras, then wouldn't you also agree that if dogs give us their all, that we should give them our all in return?
You asked for "rational thoughts" but also said that you listen to Rush Limbaugh.
???!!!
VC... I must compliment you on that last jab. That made me laugh out loud.
VC I normally agree with your postings. Your last, however, is over the top.
I love my dog, I love my cat.
I also love tasty quail.
I would also like to kill the cute bunny rabbit which is eating my garden.
Pets and wild creatures - do not confuse them. Some you eat, some will eat you.
PS Rush is not rational. He is as bat shit crazzzy as K. Oberman and the rest of cable talk.
Is it possible for some type of incentive to be offered to people who could offer a dog or cat a good home .
Right now I think there is a fee for adopting a pet, Not sure how much it cost to shelter an animal but maybe it would be cheaper to offer some type of incentive to adopt, rather then charge the person who wants to adopt.
The vet we used for the adopted blind dog gave us a discount because we adopted him. We never asked for one she just offered, not sure if she did this for all adopted dogs or just feel in love with him and his story.
LBC,
Forgot to mention that you said that one of your dogs came from someone whose dog had "an unexpected litter." See? That's the problem. There are no unexpected litters. If dog owners don't get their animals spayed/neutered, then a litter IS expected! If people would stop being so stupid and/or ignorant about this issue, then we wouldn't have all these animals that end up being euthanized because there aren't enough homes for them. The animals suffer due to the ignorance of people!
Every spring my old friend Jean's dog would suddenly dart off "unexpectedly" and not return home for 3-4 days. Gee, I wonder what he was doing? Her ignorant husband refused to have him neutered, because, you know, it's a guy thing. So every year their dog would impregnate some other dog who also hadn't been fixed because their owner was also ignorant of the pet population issue.
The humans create the problem and then the humans don't want to pay to fix the problem.
I think it's good that there is a fee for adopting animals rather than an incentive for doing so and here's why.
If a person can't afford to pay for the dog/cat, then how will they be able to pay for the veterinary care?
I've written to newspapers asking them to stop running ads that say, "Free kittens to good home" etc. and I've even called the phone numbers of the people who place the ads and here's what I tell them:
(1) If a person can't afford to buy the animal, then they can't afford the veterinary care and this animal will not be well taken care of, and
(2) You have no way of knowing that the animal is going to a good home. Some people who take "free" animals then turn right around and sell them to research labs for hundreds of dollars, and
(3) Some people want "free" animals to use in dog-fighting operations.
VC,
I have heard all of the reasons that you give for having an adoption fee & yes some people are motivated to adopt for the wrong reasons
But some people can afford both the fee and the vet care but might be enticed to adopt if there was an incentive rather then a fee. Some may just say well If I have to pay to adopt from a shelter then I might as well just go to a breeder, etc.
It would take a lot of checking for an incentive type plan to work, but I would think the bottom line/goal would be to find a good home for the animal so the background check should be done in either case.
I don't know what the requirements are in Pima county to adopt a a pet. When we adopted they had requirments but as far as I know they never checked to make sure we met the reuirments.
In fact, the dog we adopted was in a seperate room scheduled to be to sleep and the shelter told us that oh "you really don't want him, he is blind"
He turned out to be the best pet I ever had :))
Languageborderculture,
Question for you? Not being a wise guy(gal), but what is the attraction with Rush? I don't really get it. Tried to listen in a few times but too many commercials.
Supposedly his show is #1 in talk radio , so why if the country is seemingly more liberal? I don't get it.
Husband tunes in and likes the show as he thinks that he brings up things that most other hosts won't.
Anyway I guess all these radio/tv people can laugh all the way to the bank.
I don't hunt, don't have a problem with responsible hunters.Doubt I could ever hunt unless starving. I wear leather shoes and I eat meat along with fish. I am a gun owner. I love animals, especially dogs.l
Nombe,
I usually agree with your postings, too, but here's where we differ. While you love YOUR dog and cat, you implied that it's OK to hunt quail and rabbits. LBC and Thinker implied the same reasoning.
I love ALL animals so I think it's wrong to hunt any of them.
How would you (Nombe, LBC, Thinker) feel if it were suddenly legal to hunt dogs and cats? Probably the same way I feel that it's legal to hunt deer and baby harp seals.
By the way, Nombe, after mentioning quail and rabbits you went on to say, "Pets and wild creatures - do not confuse them. Some you eat, some will eat you."
I didn't know that my life was in danger whenever I encountered a quail or a rabbit, nor a deer or a baby harp seal for that matter. :)
Ms. Coyote,
Regarding your comment, "Some may just say well if I have to pay to adopt from a shelter then I might as well just go to a breeder..." I don't think they would do this since the fees for each are vastly different.
PACC charges $85 for an adult dog and $100 for a puppy. Breeders charge approx. $350 to $1000 for a dog. So I think if money is an issue, that person probably won't choose a breeder over a shelter.
VC....The very first thing I want to say on this post is what a pleasure it has been to be a part of this post.
I am not going to get into breeder vs. PACC or any xACC issue. I have never done either. I adopted two cats who appeared in my yard as strays and bought a bird from K-Mart.
But I do want to chat just a bit about hunting. Arizona has a tremendous reputation for game management. I hunt elk, deer, dove and quail. They closely monitor the elk and deer population and measure that against the available food supply. They also closely monitor the health of both species. This information is the basis for the number of kill permits for cow and bull elk in each hunt area. The same is true for bucks and does. To allow over population of any animal is cruel. I know to some that may sound like rationalization but it is true. Some areas, especially in the eastern US, are overrun with deer. They starve, they are far more subject to disease and they are more frequently hit on the highways (which is a great danger to humans).
They do similiar tracking of game birds. They monitor the white wing migration, measure the hatch of quail and are acutely aware of fall rains which is affects not only the food supply that is available but also is a direct driver of the quail hatch.
So I strongly support the Arizona Game and Fish folks and understand that the permit numbers are there for a biological reason.
My hunting does not translate into a dislike/hate or lack of respect for animals. If game species are left uncontrolled it does far more harm that controlled hunting.
Have a happy 4th weekend folks.
This past Thursday, I had two visitors in my backyard. One was a bobcat. The other a heron.
Of course this has about as much relevancy to the issue of licensing household pets, as someone hunting quail or road kill.
Oh great god of "relevancy" forgive us of our trespasses.
To everyone else....have a great holiday and God Bless America.
In case anybody is interested the Humane Society of Southern Arizona is offering Adoption Specials , see page
20 in the Explorer.
Rates are very inexpensive to adopt right now.
$25 for senior dogs and cats $30 for animals who have been in the shelter 30 days or longer.
Hopefully this does not attract those who have bad intentions.
About the decision to adopt or buy, I can only speak for myself and say that our decision was not based on money.
If we do decide in the future to get a dog I would love to get one who needs a home but the size and type of dog I would want will make it hard to find at a shelter.
Even this Human society ad states small breed dog fees may be higher.
Happy Birthday America !
God Bless America!!!!
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