I thought it would get more attention as a new posting.
This is a Photo of The Adair Funeral Home on Magee road in Oro Valley taken by Jeff on Feb 5.
(Note--I originally said "Feb6." The correct date was Feb5)
As Jeff noted, this is what the neighbors around the new Crematorium on Rancho Vistoso Blvd will have to look forward to.
Even without any mercury concerns, who wants to be anywhere around this black smoke that emanates from a crematorium?
28 comments:
Is this a real photo?
Or is it a joke?
There goes Uncle Bernie
Up In Smoke!
Better hope win blows right,
Or Uncle Bernie will be in you backyard tonight.
Bad deal for Oro Valley.
Bad deal for Vistoso neighbors too.
Vote out the old.
Vote in the new!!!
Oh, this is just disgusting, maybe we can keep this picture in our mind on voting day?
I feel that we are fighting a loosing battle;
The Wal-Mart is a done-deal, with Dankwerth and Parish touting the sales tax revenue. But no mention is made of the lost revenue that we would have made when we attracted Tucson shoppers to an "upscale shopping experience". The amount of revenue lost is unquantifiable. Now we can look forward to just a few OV shoppers using the Wal-Mart. And let's face it, Steam Pump and Oracle Crossings haven't lived up to their projected sales. So what have we "really" lost?
The crematorium is a done-deal as well, although I think we may be able to petition for something to be done about the "discharge of Uncle Bernie".
The Najarana park...done deal! I do support outdoor recreation i.e a "few" fields, but do not support the bond issue, nor the amount of expense. Why don't we require future developers to create large common areas for each planned subdivision. I see no reason why can't we specify to each builder what "type" of recreational areas they need to include in their common areas, i.e a skatepark, swimming, tennis..etc. We could require different large rec areas in each and every new subdivision in OV. Individual HOAs should provide these services.
We need to focus on our water issue, how are we going to maintain the Najarana park? What will the annual water consuption be to maintain all that grass? We need 170 mil for a CAP water connection, where is this going to come from? Definitely not sales tax revenues. More Property Taxes? Maybe a "third property tax".
What is more important to OV residents? Parks or Water? Our home values will certainly go down if we run out of water.
Our Council has destroyed our view, zoning, air quality, water table, property values and quality of life. We are no longer Paridise Valley.. we are Paridise Lost...
We may as well plan a Semi-truck fueling station with fast-food options at the I-10/Tangerine interchange.
I think we might as well strive to be just like Eloy or Casa Grande; A piss stop on the way to an "Upscale shopping experience" in Phoenix.
Web Sleuth,
I agree with most of what you said in your "done deal" posting. I diasgree, however, with the idea of having developers include a recreation area in each new development that would then be maintained (paid for) through HOA fees. I deliberately choose to live in an HOA that does not have a recreation area because I do not use these amenities and have no desire to pay for them so that someone else can use them. Plus this would mean that more land would be leveled in each development to make room for the additional recreation area. I'd rather see open space (natural desert surroundings) in each development. Taxpayers aren't paying to fund MY recreational activities (travel and photography) so I see no reason why I should pay to fund THEIRS.
Victorian Cowgirl
Yes, I understand what you are saying, but it would be YOUR choice if you wanted to move into a home with HOA with "enhanced" recreation areas and the costs that go along with them.
But you and I are going to pay for Najarna park...like it or not. Isn't that paying for others to recreate?
At least with an HOA you would have a choice...and in HOA the majority wins, no "special interest groups" or EDA's or corrupt council members.
The Zee Man....
I am so sorry, I forgot to tell you how much I love your "poem", it is genius!!
Uncle Bernie was half-ashed anyway.
Web Sleuth,
I guess I should have clarified my position on the Naranja Park. I'm also against this for the same reason I'm against HOA amenities. I don't want to pay for someone else's recreational activities, not through my association fees and not through a secondary property tax. That's why I prefer the idea of user fees.
I understand Parish's view that kids who have no place to go for recreation will end up getting into trouble instead because they are bored, but I believe that this only applies to a very small segment of the "kid" population. I believe that "parenting" determines how kids will behave.
Case in point: we have friends with 4 children. These kids do not currently have the Naranja Town Park to hang out in, yet not one of these kids has ever been in any kind of trouble. It would never occur to them to break into someone's home or vandalize someone's property just because they "were bored." They are the products of excellent parenting.
Case #2: I grew up in a very rough neighborhood where many of the kids got into trouble on a daily basis. But their parents were alcoholics, drug users, ex-cons, etc. They didn't raise their kids. They ignored their kids. But those of us who had "involved" parents turned out just fine even though our neighborhood surroundings were less than ideal.
Victorian Cowgirl..I got it! I completely agree with you on the park issue! I want more preserved desert..open space..natural habitat.
I too, grew up in a rough neighborhood and we (my siblings and I) stayed out of trouble by playing school sports and participating in Drama and Debate.
I was only proposing a HOA option to try and provide for some other recreational ideas that might work without taxing people against their will. It has worked in neighborhoods in Scottsdale.
I believe we can safely use Tucson as a bad example of poorly managed growth. If you drive around Tucson, one nice neighborhood, crematorium, industrial, bad neighborhood, shopping district. It makes no sense. You can be driving in a great neighborhood and two seconds later, you are locking your doors and afraid for your safety. All the while, Tucson has terrible infastructure, schools, crime..etc, all because foresight was NOT applied to the growth boom in Tucson.
Money IS an issue in every town including OV. We need to establish infastructure, address the water issues, and prepare for the needs of new schools with the increase in population.
People choose to move to a town for it's home prices, views and vista, neighborhoods, schools, and low-crime rates. We already have this in OV (although maybe not for much longer!), we don't need a multi-million dollar park to draw in "new" residents or businesses .... they are already coming to OV. I don't believe in a "if you build it they will come".
philosiphy..this isn't Field of Dreams.
Where I lived previous to OV had the same issues although the town and the State had a lot more money. I lived in a town where the developers and private investors were chomping at the bit to invest in the community. They donated parks and recreational areas. The state gave the town grants as well. The town only paid for two major recreational centers. One was the Performing Arts Center and the other a Sport/Concert arena. Millions were spent, we were taxed..bond issue after bond issue. In the end, the PAC had a bad roof and the Sports arena was built on an artisian well...whoops! The city proposed another 2 bond issues to fix them, total of 180 mil.
Funny, by this time all trust was lost and no one would vote in the bond issue for repairs. They call the PAC the "elephant" as it sits a disaster and the sports arena is patched up every year to hold it together...which also costs the taxpayers.
I just don't think enough forethought is being put into the expense of this park..the maintenance staff, the water consumption, security, liability insurance, future repairs, maintenance equipment....you cannot convice me this will be the cost of a "dinner at Chilies" or "a few lattes". Nor will service fees support the size of this park, not unless we are charging Disney Land Prices!
Zeeman , love the poem.
Yup we can make all the jokes we want.
Does not change the fact that some are going to be forced to live with this horrible looking burner.
Does not belong in a neighborhood, don't care what Ms.Moore thinks, I believe it was her who decided that this was an acceptable use. Regardless of who decided how come the council did not question this decision???
I guess the town staff does run the council.
Then whey do we need a council?
I truly hope that this business fails.
Maybe that is mean, but this guy is also mean and greedy.
You people amaze me. First, Adair (in the picture) looks nothing like the Vistoso Memorial Chapel which has one stack with better screening. Second, PDEQ regulates emissions from these types of facilities, send the picture to them I am sure they would be interested. Third, the Harpolds are simply trying to run a service related business that is not an industry I am guessing people are clammoring in get into, so to say they are mean and greedy is ridiculous. Any time I have interacted with the Harpolds they have been pleasant and just want to provide a good service to the people of the Town. They didn't go around PIma County saying "whoose neighborhood can I mess with" and then decide where to build thier funeral home. Guess what, people die and need to be embalmed, cremated and buried. I know you are going to say "fine, but not in MY Town". Get over yourselves.
As for building little parks all over Town within each subdivision...terrific. Then everyone can always stay within 50 feet of their home and never have to interact with their community. Oh, yeah we're a COMMUNITY that needs a COMMUNITY park where young and old can interact and get to know the people they share a Town with. Victorian Cowgirl claims no one subsidizes her recreational activities. You don't think the places you travel to or the things you take pictures of are somehow paid for with someone's tax dollars? I guess as long as their not YOUR tax dollars you don't really care. I didn't intend to turn this into a raving diatribe, but I read this blog everyday and mostly remain silent, embarassed to live in the same town as such narrow minded, short sited people. You all applaud this blog for providing a forum for discussion, but when someone has a different view than yours you vilify and ridicule them. As I am sure you are about to do to me. If you are truly interested in raising the level of discussion regarding issues that concern our beautiful town, educate yourselves about the issues, try to see all sides, and take your neighbors comments and points of view into consideration before you jump to conclusions. I don't know any of you personally, so that may seem harsh and unfair, but if you read what you have previously written, you will get some insight into why the rest of Pima County thinks Oro Valley is a bunch of rich, whinny snobs.
CYCLONE1-Having been the recipient of a couple of potshots taken at me by the Harpolds, only after having expressed a couple of very reasonable and stated personal objections at a council meeting some time ago, I must take issue with you. Doug Harpold slammed me in the Explorer for having expressed a particular distaste for the project which I stated was 'a personal aside'. After I expressed my reaction to his slam in a letter to the editor of the Explorer, I received a letter from Beverly Harpold, his mother, which was a rambling 'dissertation' on how wonderful her family was and how she looked upon a couple of actions that were perhaps negative at the beginning of a 'stop' campaign and implied that I might be in association with those actions. I was not! CYCLONE1 - this
crematorium issue is one that has permeated similar situations throughout the country for many reasons/issues; The Harpolds, as well as the Town reasonably should have known that this situation most probably would be most controversial and they should have taken steps early on to at least advise the community as to their intentions.Instead, it seems that there were great pains taken to ensure the opposite.
You stated that the stack is not as prominent as the Adair funeral home. However, the zoning codes in
Oro Valley are clear that this stack must be hidden from ALL sides. I, last May, wrote to the Mayor relative to the code and he
wrote back that the code would be strictly enforced. It was not AND the Harpolds tried to pull a fast one by simply camouflaging it. The Town has acknowledged this egregious infraction and it is because of the efforts of myself and others that no Certificate of Occupancy will be afforded the Harpolds until a satisfactory remedy is applied.
SO MUCH FOR THE INTEGRITY OF THE HARPOLDS!
Cyclone,
I seriously doubt anybody would have objected to a memorial chapel or funeral home in that area.
The owners knew what the zoning was before they purchased the property but then due to some interpretation by a town employee it was decided that the zoning could also allow the crematorium.
If these owners were truly sincere about being good neighbors, etc, they would have had the commom sense and DECENCY not to push a crematorium on a neighborhood who
naturally opposed it.
Oro valley has been called a lot of things, and most of what I have read is critical of our council and government.
Hopefully we can improve that reputation with some new council members.
Yup, they would call some on the council stooges for the developers, potted plants, etc
You are obviously well versed in the zoning codes, and seemingly feel it is ok to use a liberal interpretation when it it advantageous for the business owner.
How would you feel if this was in your backyard. No I don't live close, but am still outraged!!!
Please we all know people die, etc.
People also have to do a lot of things that I don't want to see out my back window.
Perhaps you are used to using
your writing skills to convince people that your point is either valid or correct, you seem puzzled or annoyed that it is not working here.
Sorry to tell you this but this is a blog and we all have the right to our opinions and most are
not happy with our town government.
And No I am not a rich whinny snob.
Are you?
Think about this.
Hundreds or maybe thousands of people were upset about the zoning call by the town allowing this crematorium
One person files a complaint or inquiry about this blog and its status and the town decides to pay for a second opinion.
The town blindly accepted this opinion by a town official who never seems to find fault with a developer or their plans.
The town could have gotten other opinions about this, after all
I am sure this is not such an isolated zoning issue.
Cyclone1
I think you may have missed the point. Most all of us agree that there needs to be recreational space. BUT.. most of us agree that Naranja is a bit over the top!
As far as little parks all over town, do you really think that everyone would be "required" to "play" at their own park?
Where are you more likely to meet new people? A small intimate coffee shop or a SuperMall food court?
I find it amazing that you think we are "closed minded", when it is quite clear that all of us are trying to find alternatives to Wal-Marts and superparks...instead of going with the same ol' commercialized crap!
Why not create something beautiful in OV? I think that Zev, Victorian Cowgirl, Raindancer (a few others) and myself have proposed park options that would better serve the community and the environment.
Yes, it was our town employee, Ms. Sarah More, whose own property is on the SE side of Tucson who decided that Rancho Vistoso could have a crematorium! (Not even listed in OV Zoning Code)
No, the Harpolds don't exhibit kindness! For instance, when the owners of 500 neighboring homes went to court against the Town because they had no development signs on the property--ever, no notice in a well-circulated newspaper (OV's own rule), the HOA published the wrong address given them by a member of the TOWN Development Review Board....and the judge said it was "too late" because these neighbors weren't aware (clairvoyant?), Dougie Harpold INTERVENED IN THE LAWSUIT AND THEN SUED THE PLAINTIFFS FOR OVER 25K FOR HIS LEGAL EXPENSES! They're just a charming family! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
We agree with you MsCoyote and Zev 1000%
I have talked w/my neighbors, and have educated myself. I have seen this fail in other cities. I can see where this is heading and I don't think anyone has been honest with the finaces and crime rates.
oh.. and as far as being snobby and whinny...we moved to OV to live with 'like-minded' people, people that share our same values and dreams...so why are YOU here?
Cyclone 1,
You think PDEQ monitors pollution from crematoriums? No way! Only visible emissions are looked at with human eyes!
AZDEQ does the same.
You trust government agencies?
mscoyote -BRILLIANT analogy!!! And, yes, this is NOT an isolated zoning issue and that , mscoyote, is provable beyond reasonable doubt.
I believe I witnessed this "malfunction" on Tuesday, Feb. 5th, about 12:40 pm, however, the billows of smoke appeared much thicker and taller than this to me. I saw billows of smoke while stopped at the Oracle/Ina light, watching the thick black smoke grow higher and higher in the distance. The first thought that came to my mind was that there had been a bad automobile accident on Magee, west of Oracle. As I drove toward Magee on Orcacle, my suspicions turned instead to the Adair CREMATORY. After I entered the Trader Joe's lot (my destination), I sat in my car for another 5 minutes and watched as the thick black smoke continued to spew out of the tallest emissions stack. I noted the time at which I entered TJs to do my shopping, and by about 1/2 hr. later, the smoke had turned into "heat vapor". Once I returned to my home in RV, I phoned the Pima County Dept. of Environmental Quality to file a formal complaint, including a description and the time of day I witnessed the smoke. The DPEQ Air Quality Manager said they would be sending an investigator out to check the Adair log books, to check gauges, and do visual checks to determine WHAT was going on at that time and to determine if Adair is operating in violation of DPEQ standards. I expect to receive a report once the investigation is complete, as I filed the complaint under my name. I firmly believe that RV residents will have to be vigilant in observing Mr. Harpold's operation to ensure that if this EVER happens in our neighborhood he be held responsible. DPEQ will not be monitoring daily operations, and the only time a violation will be caught is if WE file the complaint. I don't care how well Mr. Harpold's EMISSIONS STACK IS "screened", if it is open and exposed to the outdoors, smoke like this can and WILL be seen! Was this photo taken on the 5th of Feb., or does this happen even more frequently than we believe?
I don't think the Harpolds will ever come to terms any kind of responsibility to the community. Time and time again they have shown that they are not only just beholden unto themselves, they like to rub their grotesqueness into our faces. A little less than a year ago, Doug Harpold, at a meeting to try to 'molify' the community, couldn't (or wouldn't) answer questions about the emissions stack relative to it's appearance; it was nowhere to be seen on the architects drawing of the 'complex' nor was it ever included on the pictures published at least twice in the Explorer News. Last May I wrote a letter to Mayor Loomis with a copy sent to Harpold, decrying the fact that no picture of the stack had ever been included. Since it specifically states in the Oro Valley codes that [this mechanical device, appurtanence, must be hidden from ALL sides], a code which I had quoted verbatim, after a month I received an e-mail from the Mayor that strict enforcement of this code would be in order. As the structure was being built, I saw quite clearly that the Harpolds were, once again giving the 'screw you' to our community; the stack was NOT hidden from all sides, the openings in the parapet walls FACED
Rancho Vistoso Blvd for all to see (another slap), and the Harpolds thought they could fool us again by painting the stack thinking, I suppose, that a crappy camouflage trick would 'do the job' and THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING!!!
A couple of weeks ago I intiated what turned out to be a flurry of activity between myself and City Hall. I wrote a letter to the Mayor, with copies going to the town attorney and the town zoning director. Well, well, well, after a few e-mails back and forth, the Town informed me that Oro Valley was a [beautiful place, blah, blah, blah, written by a real thinker], and that the solution was being worked on and, finally, after I had strongly 'suggested' that NO certificate of occupancy be issued until [full compliance was met], it was imparted to me that [NO CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY WOULD BE GRANTED UNTIL THE GOVERNING ORDINANCE WAS MET].
So, in short, since the issue was [just being worked on now], I have no alternative but to believe that there never was an intention to comply with the ordinance as written (dictated) either by the Harpolds OR the town zoning police; so much for integrity all the way around.
I find it amazing that the Town, when confronted with a situation relative to an established and loved restaurant's liquor license, immediately voted [not to renew it], that other businesses and other entities have complained how difficult it is to deal with the Town, yet the Town manages to twist and turn so easily when it comes to the Harpolds' shenanigans and anti-community mindset.
So, what can we expect relative to the emissions readings when the 'unit' is fired up? Not much I expect. There are devices that are available that could have been installed which instantaneously can publish 24/7 emissions readings on the internet for all to examine; but I don't think the Harpolds would want that.
Cyclone1,
You think my recreational activities are also paid for with others' tax dollars? Wow, I wasn't aware that the red rocks I photograph in Sedona were manmade and paid for through tax dollars. How about the wildlife at the Desert Museum? The monoliths at Monument Valley? The Grand Canyon? I paid user fees to enter all of those places and a parking fee to park on the side of the road in Sedona so I could walk the trails and take pictures. How about the books I read...another one of my recreational activities. Are those paid for with tax dollars?
Then after calling us narrow-minded and short-sighted you said that WE vilify and ridicule anyone who has a different point of view than ours.
If you've read my postings on this site, you would know that I am far from narrow-minded/short-sighted. I am a registered independent. I sometimes vote democratic and sometimes republican. I vote for a PERSON not a PARTY. I have made derogatory comments about Terry Parish on this site and I have also defended him on this site depending on the issue. Narrow-minded? Nice try, Cyclone.
You would also know that I grew up in a mill town surrounded by drug dealers, prostitutes, ex-cons, etc. And that I worked hard to get out of that place and to have the middle class suburban life that I have today. I am NOT a rich, whiny snob. I have seen life from all sides which is why I am so objective in my views, unlike people like Ann Coulter who grew up in the tony town of New Canaan, CT., a town filled with one-dimensional people and their self-righteous misguided views of the world.
Cyclone, your posts are filled with an awful lot of anger. I'm beginning to think your last name is either Dankwerth or Cunnington.
OK, I have had a few days to calm down so I can respond. I didn't intend to appear so angry, but as I go back and read what I wrote I realize I came off a little more "rightously indignant" than I intended.
Zev-
I understand that everyone has had different experiences with the Harpolds and I can only speak to mine. I would only suggest that you and others who have had negative experiences take them in the context which they occurred. However "personal" your comments were, they were made at a public meeting and then repeated and distorted by others. I would ask how would you respond if you were trying to open a business and were called a liar, backroom dealer, etc.? Just a thought.
mscoyote-
I would guess that many of us use whatever skills we have to try and convince people we have a valid point. Isn't that the point of discussion/debate. I agree everyone has a right to their own opinions and to express them, what frustrates me is when the "mob" drowns out dissenting opinions and attacks those that make them personally. (In this case you guys are the proverbial "mob") For you and everone else, I have read comments in the Star and had conversations with friends who live elsewhere in Pima County and their reaction to OV is as I expressed it. That we think we are better than everyone else. I don't think that of the Town or its residents, I was simply trying to point out how we (the residents, not the council)are perceived in the rest of the region.
ferlin-
It's common in civil litgation for the "winner" to ask for attorney's fees. It's part of the game - not a move the Harpold's invented. I struggle to see how this demonstrates something about their personal integrity. I am aware what PDEQ regulates, which I why I suggested the picture be sent to them, which it appears Ms. Krause has already done.
ovwebslueth-
Do I trust the government? As a concept, as an institution - well it seems to have done OK for the last 200+ years. Do I acknowldge it can be perverted and corrupt? -sure. Do I think for the most part government employees are good natured folks that are trying to do their jobs and help other people? - you bet. And I didn't say everyone would be "required" to play at the park in their neighborhood. But as a parent, if you had a park down the street or two blocks away, where would your kid end up most days? I agree that parents are ultimately responsible for how their kids turn out, and maybe having to take their kids to Naranja, rather than kicking them out the door to go to the neighborhood park, would encourage more parents to engage with their kids and participate.
Victorian Cowgirl-
I don't know about Sedona, but the Desert Museum sits on Pima County owned land and was part of the 2004County bond election. While they do support themselves with user fees and donations, they are not wholly without property tax support. My point was that MANY activities are supported with tax dollars in some way, shape or form, and using local money for a local park that local residents can use seems to me to be a pretty good way to spend the money. I made no comments or judgments about anyone's political affiliations - I only have to assume that by close-minded you thought I meant republican?? I asked that people try to see all sides of an issue and educated themsleves because I have seen too many posts on this blog that are factually and legally inaccurate. I can agree to disagree with anyone, as long as I know that we are operating on the same set of facts/laws/regulations, etc. Previously my posts were solely to provide information. I let myself get a little out of hand with the last one - won't happen again.
CYCLONE 1
I made a statement representing it as a 'personal aside' and made it very plain that this was my own emotion. That was NOT taking an issue out of the context in which it occured. If anyone took an issue out of the context in which it occured, it was the misguided reaction from Douglas Harpold as he was quoted in an Explorer news article.
I always thought that within the realm of 'public hearings', personal observations are an acceptable commentary. As to your implication that I had referred to anyone as a liar in this matter; I did not, nor did I accuse anyone in THIS matter of any 'backroom' dealing.
CYCLONE 1, if you are going to simply derive a conclusion out of something not meant for that type of specificity, please, you only hurt your OWN validity when you do it.
I do appreciate your statement of
self-examination relative to your own 'anger'; it is too bad that so much hostility has reared it's ugly head on all sides. But, CYCLONE 1, when objections, or dissents are met with stone cold
stares, lack of empathy, and an unwillingness for excercising transparancy, then, historically,
resistance and then revolution become the new standard. Yes, I'd rather see a peaceful exercise of interaction between the WHOLE community and those we elected to be our leadership, but that simply has not been happening.
Cyclone,
If the Desert Museum is funded partially by Pima County property taxes, well, I pay Pima County property taxes, too, so you still can't say that someone else is paying for my recreational activities. I don't have a problem paying for things of that nature because it's reciprocal. Someone from another state will visit the Desert Museum which my taxes help to fund. I will visit some place in another state that someone else's taxes have funded. I just get tired of hearing about other people's kids and what they need. As I said, I grew up without all of these amenities and I turned out just fine.
I'm a little cynical on this issue because when I was a kid, everything was for the adults and the kids needs were mostly ignored. Now that I'm an adult, everything is done for the sake of the kids. I keep wondering when it's going to be my turn!
I didn't think you meant Republican when you said narrow-minded. I only mentioned my political affiliation (or lack thereof) to show you that I am objective and don't worship at the altar of either party. I base my decisions on WHAT is being said rather than on WHO is saying it. Unless of course there is a pattern of stupidity/racism/sexism etc. on someone's part in which case I tune them out altogether.
CYCLONE 1
In addition to my above comment let me add that if any statement or portion thereof be 'repeated and distorted' by another, then that is at the parsing and/or ignorance of the person that does so; thus I do have the option of refuting said distortion and will continue to do so at my discretion and in my own manner of speaking. I cannot control, nor do I wish to control, any comment that may be simply a subjective or a misguided (as iterated above) reaction.
Cyclone 1
It is not the government as a whole that I mistrust. It is a few bad apples and I think we can find that anywhere.
Some of my biggest concerns with a mega-park a couple of blocks away are:
#1 The cost to taxpayers relative to the amount OV residents will use the park (as it now seems that we are building the park as a favor to Pima County and Tucson Children). The true cost of this park cannot be estimated there are too many "wild" cards.
#2 The safety of a park/rec area this large. There will be drugs, rapes and most likely murders, tagging, gang activity. You name it, it won't be safe for parents to take their kids to this park (Not unless the taxpayers provide 24/7 security).
Contrary to polular belief, it is okay for parents to NOT be involved in every aspect of their childrens' lives. Children do need the freedom to make mistakes, explore, and entertain themselves.
We are living in a world of "over-indulgence" for our children. . . . .Remember when we could use a stick and an old bike tire for fun? Or a rope tied to a tree branch? Or just exploring all the creatures nature has to offer?
Now they [children] need a $154 million dollar park to make them grow up to be good citizens?
Let's teach our children the same morals that we were taught. Let's encourage our children to be good citizens and let's teach our children to be good stewards of the land God gave us.
Amen!
Dawnelle - My wife has witnessed the same black smoke " Malfunction". She also reported to ADEQ and received the report (No violation noted) In reading the guidelines and ADEQ requirements it is obvious that this escape is not permitted.
Parks - Great places to let dogs crap in the grass/sand boxes. I do not let my kids play at the park. I have witnessed a dog owner allowing the dog to urinate in the CHILDRENS sand box with no intention of cleaning up after it.
Zev - Agree on all fronts ... Time to hold Gov. accoutable. They can't / won't do it themselves...
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