tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post5131707934382593563..comments2023-10-04T01:00:46.984-07:00Comments on LOVE: Let Oro Valley Excel: "Politics Is A Dirty Business" Shame On Satish For Proving It!Richard Furash, MBAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11114566215839912640noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-4635956336652517882010-04-28T12:48:14.332-07:002010-04-28T12:48:14.332-07:00VC. Points (1), (2), and (2) - as I am sure you wi...VC. Points (1), (2), and (2) - as I am sure you will admit as well - do not logically show support for Hiremath. As such, your reasoning in these points is invalid. Your case would have been stronger if you only pointed to (3).OVDadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04309375525017706215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-88642390829806031512010-04-28T12:11:43.064-07:002010-04-28T12:11:43.064-07:00OinStarr,
You also asked me specifically...
&quo...OinStarr,<br /><br />You also asked me specifically...<br /><br />"What is the basis for your assumption that I support either candidate?"<br /><br />Here is the basis for my assumption:<br /><br />(1) I haven't seen you write any negative comments about Hiremath. You have, however, written numerous negative comments about Zinkin.<br /><br />(2) On this blog on March 24th, you Victorian Cowgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07705757131004376446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-76878854006914270752010-04-28T11:46:25.500-07:002010-04-28T11:46:25.500-07:00OinStarr,
You speak with forked tongue. I am quo...OinStarr,<br /><br />You speak with forked tongue. I am quoting you exactly here. First you addressed a blog comment SPECIFICALLY to me. You said...<br /><br />"VC, (Victorian Cowgirl)<br /><br />Answer the question about what was the intent (of using the logo) don't deflect."<br /><br />Now you claim that you...<br /><br />"did not specifically ask you (Victorian Cowgirl) Victorian Cowgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07705757131004376446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-28383947218059884522010-04-27T19:11:20.474-07:002010-04-27T19:11:20.474-07:00So along comes another one of Hiremath's suppo...So along comes another one of Hiremath's supporters (arandomguy) who also tries to deflect from the topic of this stream (Hiremath's blatant lie) by avoiding that topic entirely and instead bringing up a new topic (how we address the candidates.)<br /><br />Arandomguy, do you really think that how we bloggers address the candidates is a more important issue than Hiremath's blatant lieVictorian Cowgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07705757131004376446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-84649432581757957672010-04-27T18:54:14.624-07:002010-04-27T18:54:14.624-07:00VC,
I do not want to play a game of you answer my...VC,<br /><br />I do not want to play a game of you answer my questions before I answer yours. I did not specifically ask you to respond to my question regarding Mr. Zinkin's planned effect for using the Town's logo on his mailer. Comments were made here because Art posted Mike's email here.<br /><br />We have been told it was an honest mistake. Therefore, if Dr. Hiremath spoke an Meyer Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11917846656635552879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-51660777826783733542010-04-27T16:42:55.063-07:002010-04-27T16:42:55.063-07:00arandomguy--- You wrote---"I'm sure my co...arandomguy--- You wrote---"I'm sure my comment will be censored out."<br /><br />Why would we censor out such an astute comment?<br /><br />We always appreciate new bloggers that have something of substance to add.artmarthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13882439837604827576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-43352250103484788292010-04-27T15:49:03.551-07:002010-04-27T15:49:03.551-07:00Do we refer to Dr. Hiremath as "Satish" ...Do we refer to Dr. Hiremath as "Satish" or "the good dentist" to diminish him personally? The people in obvious support of Mr. Zinkin always refer to him as Mike Zinkin or Mr. Zinkin. Well, I think that the "good retired air traffic controller" has a gang of thugs on this blog that immediately attack any dissenting opinions whether they have any merit or not. And Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06820274030293459470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-77852462689004827952010-04-26T21:07:54.779-07:002010-04-26T21:07:54.779-07:00Desert Voice,
Your comment about using lying as a...Desert Voice,<br /><br />Your comment about using lying as a strategy being "a statement in itself" is true.<br /><br />It says, "I can't win this election on the issues, and I can't win this election on my experience, and I can't win this election with the truth, so I'll just lie about my opponent's position on a hot-button issue."Victorian Cowgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07705757131004376446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-84989514812635786742010-04-26T16:50:48.118-07:002010-04-26T16:50:48.118-07:00V Cowgirl,
Great job raising consciousness about ...V Cowgirl,<br /><br />Great job raising consciousness about lying on SH's campaign postcards. "What you see is what you get!" Just like theft begins with small items, ie pens, pennies and grows in proportions, "a little white one", evolves into a full blown whopper!<br /><br />How can you ever trust someone who has lied? I can't. Lies cast shadows on everything an Desert Voicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09202412114505804744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-43134134045468692132010-04-26T12:44:38.187-07:002010-04-26T12:44:38.187-07:00OinStarr,
I'll answer your question when you ...OinStarr,<br /><br />I'll answer your question when you answer mine.<br /><br />Where did Satish get the idea that he is the ONE candidate for mayor who is against the property tax?<br /><br />How do you defend this outright lie?<br /><br />Why did you wait until after you learned of the error on Zinkin's part before you posted anything on this topic?<br /><br />You tell me not to "Victorian Cowgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07705757131004376446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-45723840447772300612010-04-26T10:15:59.375-07:002010-04-26T10:15:59.375-07:00VC,
Answer the question about what was the intent...VC,<br /><br />Answer the question about what was the intent, don't deflect.<br /><br />What is the basis for your assumption that I support either candidate?Meyer Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11917846656635552879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-17185991505892100012010-04-25T22:55:55.996-07:002010-04-25T22:55:55.996-07:00OinStarr,
I will ask you the same question I aske...OinStarr,<br /><br />I will ask you the same question I asked Racer...<br /><br />Why did you not respond to what Hiremath did until AFTER you discovered that Zinkin had used the logo in error?<br /><br />Again, I repeat, not one member of the Hiremath fan club, yourself included, made any attempt at all to respond to my first post on this stream. Not one person defended Hiremath's lie, but Victorian Cowgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07705757131004376446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-72290952962070878272010-04-25T16:55:46.096-07:002010-04-25T16:55:46.096-07:00Casual Observer---Isn't it more prudent, and m...Casual Observer---Isn't it more prudent, and more honest to say, as Mike did --- quoting him: "At this time--- it would be premature and irresponsible to even consider a property tax."<br /><br />Mike goes on to say that--"We must be fiscally responsible and separate our wants from our needs."<br /><br />That's a far cry from the other candidate who thinks it is artmarthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13882439837604827576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-82449010821984450252010-04-25T14:51:04.215-07:002010-04-25T14:51:04.215-07:00I am new at this so please bear with me.
If you a...I am new at this so please bear with me.<br /><br />If you are against a property tax or against anything you don't use "premature". That indicates that it is just too early for it to happen.<br /><br />Maybe that is where the confusion comes from.Casual Observerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18082447988841231779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-89488728575938056602010-04-25T14:27:29.280-07:002010-04-25T14:27:29.280-07:00What was the point of using the town's logo in...What was the point of using the town's logo in the first place, accidental or not? In my mind it was used to give official stature. <br /><br />All campaign material is carefully reviewed for content and effect. So again, I ask, what was the planned effect for the use of the logo.Meyer Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11917846656635552879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-28221650128370714992010-04-25T11:30:26.379-07:002010-04-25T11:30:26.379-07:00I would also like to remind everyone that Terry Pa...I would also like to remind everyone that Terry Parish repeatedly used his title as Vice Mayor in an attempt to influence the outcome of the vote on the Vestar EDA. "Repeatedly" is the key word here.<br /><br />When Parish's judgment was questioned in this regard, he ignored it and continued to speak for Vestar in his role as Vice Mayor. In contrast, Zinkin offered an immediate Victorian Cowgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07705757131004376446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-39006719138176291352010-04-25T11:16:54.374-07:002010-04-25T11:16:54.374-07:00John Martin,
I'm not sure why you think that ...John Martin,<br /><br />I'm not sure why you think that lying is never about intent. It's always about intent. The man who tells his wife that he was at a company meeting when he was really with his mistress, is lying with the intent of keeping his affair a secret. The teenager who tells his father, "That's not my pot. I was holding it for a friend" is lying with the Victorian Cowgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07705757131004376446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-22495088530958080872010-04-25T10:13:14.886-07:002010-04-25T10:13:14.886-07:00John--- I'll have to agree with the "cowg...John--- I'll have to agree with the "cowgirl."<br /><br />Let's be reasonable. Can anyone rationally believe that Mike Zinkin was trying to get people to vote for him because he had the town logo on his flyer?<br /><br />On the other hand, think about this:<br /><br />Hiremath claims he is the ONLY candidate opposed to a property tax.<br /><br />There is NO JUSTIFICATION for artmarthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13882439837604827576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-77446445409244684262010-04-25T09:53:17.083-07:002010-04-25T09:53:17.083-07:00At least Dr Hiremath hasn't broken campaign la...At least Dr Hiremath hasn't broken campaign laws like Mr. Zimkin using the town logo on his flyer is a violation.<br /><br />I believe that the use of the Oro Valley Town Logo by Mike Zinkin in his campaign literature has violated the trademark infringement laws and the campaign laws of the state of Arizona. This is a serious violation however per the town clerk, there is nothing they are racerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01313037120587966141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-7582072036984751102010-04-25T08:49:33.023-07:002010-04-25T08:49:33.023-07:00Art: Zinkin broke the law, regardless of intention...Art: Zinkin broke the law, regardless of intention.<br /><br />Hiremath claims to unequivocally oppose a property tax.<br /><br />Meanwhile, in the two statements you posted of Zinkin's response to the tax question, he equivocates (though I accept that he doesn't want a property tax). Maybe not fair politics on Hiremath's part, but it is what it is.<br /><br />Lying is never about John Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09720077500792068329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-10421892923571630942010-04-25T08:37:46.748-07:002010-04-25T08:37:46.748-07:00John--- Sorry I didn't respond to your comment...John--- Sorry I didn't respond to your comment sooner, but "Cowgirl" saw fit to do so.<br /><br />I would say this, your statement---"I think the two perceived transgressions have to cancel themselves out," doesn't seem to be at all appropriate.<br /><br />Why not compare a person who mugged an older woman, with a guy who stole a bottle of wine?<br /><br />Hiremath'artmarthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13882439837604827576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-87446638792191551702010-04-24T23:29:09.071-07:002010-04-24T23:29:09.071-07:00John Martin,
What Zinkin did was an honest mistak...John Martin,<br /><br />What Zinkin did was an honest mistake and he immediately apologized for it. I received the flier in question. I read the content of the flier and never even noticed the town seal. If Zinkin's goal in using the seal was to "attempt to influence the outcome of an election" then I'm sure that the seal would have been much more prominently displayed. As IVictorian Cowgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07705757131004376446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-39931952656475960372010-04-24T19:46:29.741-07:002010-04-24T19:46:29.741-07:00While it's perhaps fair game to say Hiremath m...While it's perhaps fair game to say Hiremath may have skirted the issue that Zinkin also doesn't favor a property tax (I think voters can determine that for themselves), I believe Zinkin made a serious error in judgment with his use of the town seal on his latest mailing. While he acknowledges the error, and says it was inadvertent (I'll take him at his word), I think the two John Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09720077500792068329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-27089533827534876102010-04-24T12:12:13.381-07:002010-04-24T12:12:13.381-07:00I received the following email from Mike Zinkin la...I received the following email from Mike Zinkin last night. Mike gave me authorization to put it on the blog, to acknowledge his error in using the town logo in his literature.<br /><br />As a result of Mike's self proclaimed error, he will need to discard some 3000 fliers he had hoped to use in his effort to get elected Mayor of Oro Valley.<br /><br />Here's Mike's email.<br />------artmarthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13882439837604827576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-30520197261229174902010-04-23T22:43:31.768-07:002010-04-23T22:43:31.768-07:00Jason--- Thanks again for your comment.
If I may,...Jason--- Thanks again for your comment.<br /><br />If I may, let me respond, as I believe you have some inaccuracies noted.<br /><br />As of now, there are two Fire Districts that have been approved to service the needs of OV. One is GRFD, as you mentioned. The other is Mountain Vista Fire District in the southern tier.<br /><br />As to the fire union supporting some candidates, it is NOT GRFD, artmarthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13882439837604827576noreply@blogger.com