tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post1773211571695711472..comments2023-10-04T01:00:46.984-07:00Comments on LOVE: Let Oro Valley Excel: Goldwater Institute On AZ Education WoesRichard Furash, MBAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11114566215839912640noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-24025246283019187942010-04-01T14:58:04.851-07:002010-04-01T14:58:04.851-07:00The Goldwater Institute compared 4th and 8th grade...The Goldwater Institute compared 4th and 8th graders' test scores in FL and in AZ. The superiority of the FL test scores supposedly says something about the inferiority of education in AZ, but the reasons behind the scores may have little to do with the teachers or the schools. Comparing Hispanic students in both states is a lot like comparing bananas and papayas. Hispanics come from a Kathy Pastrykhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14799325988343605134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-25690324907072398212010-03-31T15:07:01.476-07:002010-03-31T15:07:01.476-07:00Amen Victoria Cowgirl - you and I should join forc...Amen Victoria Cowgirl - you and I should join forces against evil.<br /><br />NO public funding for schools!Leopold B. Stotchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04648181942289351677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-50374903974470059292010-03-30T19:38:06.532-07:002010-03-30T19:38:06.532-07:00I've already stated on another thread that one...I've already stated on another thread that one problem with always asking taxpayers for more money for schools is that more money won't solve the problem for kids who come from bad families who couldn't care less about their child's education.<br /><br />Another issue is that it doesn't matter how much you spend, what matters is what is being taught. Look at what just Victorian Cowgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07705757131004376446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-12314274119007862542010-03-30T16:01:37.884-07:002010-03-30T16:01:37.884-07:00To Our Readers--- I'm almost inclined to remov...To Our Readers--- I'm almost inclined to remove this whole posting and comments, but would rather say unequivocally; <br /><br />"I completely disassociate myself and this blog from the comments made by "Leopold" and those that agree with him."<br /><br />I stand by the fact that we did this posting from the Goldwater Institute for only the purpose of allowing our readers artmarthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13882439837604827576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-46338891603058276692010-03-30T15:19:12.938-07:002010-03-30T15:19:12.938-07:00I prefer evil genius. There is no money in being a...I prefer evil genius. There is no money in being a comedic genius.<br /><br />But, you don't have to be a genius to know that the LOVE blog is the place where good ideas come to be born into great ideas.Leopold B. Stotchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04648181942289351677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-87211533571491336852010-03-30T15:08:21.963-07:002010-03-30T15:08:21.963-07:00My father's "Soldiers Handbook" date...My father's "Soldiers Handbook" dated 1942, contains timeless wisdom. One great line states "Irony is lost on Enlisted men." Well, I guess my years of Enlisted service must be catching up with me. The irony, sarcasm, burlesque and satire contained in some of the above posts rival my own humble attempts at caustic humor.<br /><br />Fist Freiherr Leopold von und zu StochNombe Watanabehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11659475481039950174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-78781870379449532572010-03-30T15:00:52.235-07:002010-03-30T15:00:52.235-07:00Leopold, are you serious?!
You write: "OV Da...Leopold, are you serious?!<br /><br />You write: "OV Dad, Jay D, John Martin and all you pro-government liberal socialist - its really simple - why would we impose a tax to increase funding for schools that don't teach kids anything meaningful? Evolution, gay rights, the complete stripping the role of religion in our government from the curriculum... OUR government was established by John Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05478015505559033557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-17949623114638937812010-03-30T14:36:27.067-07:002010-03-30T14:36:27.067-07:00Mr. Davis,
What works for BASIS has little meanin...Mr. Davis, <br />What works for BASIS has little meaning for public, non-charter education. Both the students and the teachers at charter schools represent a completely different sample. Also, how do you measure success in education? America's obsession with test scores has done our education system more bad than good.OVDadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04309375525017706215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-38249314609855399682010-03-30T14:06:01.230-07:002010-03-30T14:06:01.230-07:00Education can be great and Oro Valley is the new r...Education can be great and Oro Valley is the new recipient of one of the best schools in the nation-- BASIS. <br />Interestingly, they offer all employees a one year contract and incentive based pay.<br /><br />People will perform if offered an incentive to do so. This is true for most fields of endeavor and a means to help clean up the mess called education.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-17441587695111680482010-03-30T13:53:13.170-07:002010-03-30T13:53:13.170-07:00I did not mean to offend you, Artmarth. I love you...I did not mean to offend you, Artmarth. I love your blog. I was agreeing with the point you are making. You clearly posted this to show Arizona schools are not doing well compared to other states. And you, Sir, are correct. Why would you attack me for agreeing with you? <br /><br />If you don't want people to agree with you, then why post the Goldwater report? It's not like you posted theLeopold B. Stotchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04648181942289351677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-24551215036075258812010-03-30T13:17:56.376-07:002010-03-30T13:17:56.376-07:00Dear Mr. Stoch, you are a genius.
Now to the issu...Dear Mr. Stoch, you are a genius.<br /><br />Now to the issue: When a professor at UA releases a statement, it is a statement from that professor and not from UA. While published under the helm of the Goldwater Institute, Ladner's views don't automatically correspond to the Goldwater Institute. Accuse me of nit-picking and that's fine. Many times on this blog I have seen this kind of OVDadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04309375525017706215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-7764095384019728302010-03-30T12:15:01.677-07:002010-03-30T12:15:01.677-07:00In continuing this dialog, I will say this:
Jay D...In continuing this dialog, I will say this:<br /><br />Jay D--- I'm more apt to accept your last comment, than your first.<br /><br />Leopold-- I'm not sure if you're serious, or trying to put us all on.<br /><br />Your statement---"What Artmarth is saying is that schools are a total waste of tax money and Goldwater is just pointing out that FACT," leads me to believe you artmarthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13882439837604827576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-69610515530883880202010-03-30T11:00:43.334-07:002010-03-30T11:00:43.334-07:00Jay D - What Artmarth is saying is that schools ar...Jay D - What Artmarth is saying is that schools are a total waste of tax money and Goldwater is just pointing out that FACT. Why should we pay to educate your kid? I don't need to do my homework because Goldwater has done it for me. These are the facts. Arizona's schools make kids stupider. The Goldwater people wouldn't be able to post their reports online if they were not reputable Leopold B. Stotchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04648181942289351677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-1516353218286525292010-03-30T10:43:48.933-07:002010-03-30T10:43:48.933-07:00No Art, I am not suggesting one way or the other t...No Art, I am not suggesting one way or the other that the Goldwater Institute is factual or not...I am suggesting that your readers have very strong opinions about education, but I have to wonder how many of them are involved in the schools in some way...whether they work there, volunteer there, have children or grandchildren attending local public schools, or just bother to take the time to talkJay Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13153995495550509260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-2390147002115914582010-03-30T10:28:52.015-07:002010-03-30T10:28:52.015-07:00NAEP results are a solid benchmark to measure perf...NAEP results are a solid benchmark to measure performance.<br /><br />However, I must say that Arizona already has pretty expansive charter/alternative school policies, already grades schools based on achievement, and already most districts allow some form of open-enrollment (parental choice). Something else, not just the intransigence of teachers' and school board unions, must go further in John Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05478015505559033557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-45775875706587262142010-03-30T10:28:22.506-07:002010-03-30T10:28:22.506-07:00Leopold---Do me a big favor, and don't agree w...Leopold---Do me a big favor, and don't agree with me on anything.artmarthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13882439837604827576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-77901803291076984192010-03-30T10:22:20.052-07:002010-03-30T10:22:20.052-07:00I'm with Artmarth - public education is a tota...I'm with Artmarth - public education is a total waste of money. No tax dollars should go to schools. Heck - there should be NO TAXES! Why have taxes at all!? All the schools teach is "science" and evolution - which everyone knows is total BS. Education is the sole responsibility of parents - as God Himself intended. That's in the bible. READ IT. Why should I pay to educate YOUR Leopold B. Stotchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04648181942289351677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-46441813895864746122010-03-30T10:14:59.362-07:002010-03-30T10:14:59.362-07:00Jay D--- May I suggest you pay more attention to t...Jay D--- May I suggest you pay more attention to the message, than the messenger.<br /><br />Are you suggesting the report from the prestigious Goldwater Institute is not factual?artmarthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13882439837604827576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-361824526868946733.post-39605780948024931892010-03-30T09:50:42.298-07:002010-03-30T09:50:42.298-07:00We could fight all day about who values education....We could fight all day about who values education...I would suggest that rather than posting information from this conservative think tank, anyone of you who questions dollars spent on education or the sad state of education in Arizona talk to people who matter...teachers, students, parents, etc. Do your homework, then make informed comments.Jay Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13153995495550509260noreply@blogger.com